Mr. McLEAN. You do know you did so testify-that their depositions were taken before yours, did you not?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. Up until that time you never had disclosed to anyone or claimed to have disclosed to anyone except Senator Mayfield about this $200 transaction?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I had discussed it with Judge Walker and T. L. Coplin.

Mr. MCLEAN. Was not that after the deposition?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir.

Mr. McLEAN. Now, all right. Now, you did know before you gave your deposition that these gentlemen at Graham had testified that they had given you the $200 to send to Senator Mayfield, did

Mr. MCLEAN. And then you testified in your deposition that you had received this $200 from them, did you not?

Mr. MCNAMARA. From Mr. Morrison; yes, sir.

Mr. McLEAN. And you further testied that you sent that money in an envelope to Senator Mayfield?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I did, sir.

Mr. McLEAN. All right. You have all the correspondence, telegrams, and letters between you and Senator Mayfield, have you not? Mr. MCNAMara. Most of them.

Mr. McLEAN. All of them, have you not?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Most of them.

Senator KING. Where are the others?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I do not know, sir.
Senator KING. Are there any others?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I have not them in my office. I do not know where they are.

Senator KING. Are there any others?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I do not know, sir.

Senator KING. Did you send any, copies of which are not here, or receive any which are not here?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I perhaps sent three or four without copies, and perhaps received two or three of Mr. Mayfield's letters that I have not with me.

Senator KING. Where are they?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I do not know.

Senator KING. Did you search for them?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes, sir. They were in my files when I left Graham to attend the Corsicana trial, and I wired Judge Walker, who was the secretary of the Chamber of Commerce, and asked him to send me all the files, letters, and copies, to Corsicana.

Senator KING. Were they offered in the trial at Corsicana? Mr. MCNAMARA. These that I have here, and all that I have with me or know anything about at the time was offered, I think, sir. Senator KING. Did you offer there all the correspondence that you had with Senator Mayfield that you deemed, or that counsel deemed, material or relevant?

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Mr. MCNAMARA. All, with the exception of the letters that I read here this afternoon.

Mr. McLEAN. Have you now, or have you ever had, in your possession a letter or a telegram from Senator Mayfield in which campaign funds or money was mentioned?

Mr. MONAMARA. I have not.

Mr. McLEAN. And you never have had, have you?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Not in a letter to me.

Mr. McLEAN. Your relations with Senator Mayfield during his campaign for the United States Senate were very friendly, were they not?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes, sir.

Mr. MCLEAN. During all of your testimony and in your deposition in Texas, and the time you went on the stand at the trial, you never mentioned anything about Senator Mayfield telling you that he had already spent $80,000, did you?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir.

Senator KING. Did you mention that he spent any other sum?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir; no more than Harris County and Wichita County.

Mr. MCLEAN. When did the Harris County matter come up? Mr. MCNAMARA. It came up when we were in conference on October 8, 1922, in Mr. Earle Mayfield's office.

Mr. MOLEAN. That was after

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir.

Mr. MCLEAN. That was October what?

Mr. MCNAMARA, October 8.

Mr. MCLEAN. Was not that after the election, October 8?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir.

Mr. McLEAN. I am talking about when he defeated Governor Ferguson. Mayfield had already been nominated, had he not, and the race was on between him and Mr. Peddy?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. Then he never mentioned any matters to you until he himself had received the Democratic nomination in Texas?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Repeat that question again, please, sir.

Mr. McLEAN. The $7,500 that you claim that Senator Mayfield said had been raised in Harris County, or spent in Harris County, that was after Senator Mayfield had received the Democratic nomination in Texas-after the run-off?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Between he and Ferguson?

Mr. MCLEAN. Yes; between him and Ferguson.

Mr. MONAMARA. Yes, sir.

Mr. McLEAN. All right. Now, what man or what person was ever present when you and Mayfield were discussing, or when you claim that Senator Mayfield was discussing, the money question?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Just Mayfield and I.

Mr. MCLEAN. During that time at Graham when he was there with his friends, and at Wichita Falls, and at other places, did he not mention campaign funds to those other gentlemen in your presence? Mr. MCNAMARA. He did at Archer City.

Mr. McLEAN. Yes; Dickey was there?
Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. And Dickey is the only one?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. He is the only one. Now, Dickey heard all he said there, did he not?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. McLEAN. You testified here before this committee that Senator Mayfield in July, 1921, told you that he was going to run for United States Senator-going to be a candidate?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. Had you seen his announcement in any papers up to that time?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I had not.

Mr. McLEAN. And that is the time that he told you he wanted you to raise $30,000 for him?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. McLEAN. And this is the first time you have testified to that? Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. You testified here that he gave you the names there of a lot of gentlemen or concerns to go to see?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. McLEAN. You went to see them all, did you not?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I did not go to see a one of them.

Mr. McLEAN. What salary were you drawing at the month of June that you claim to have sent this $200 to Senator Mayfield?

Mr. MCNAMARA. $300.

Mr. McLEAN. $300?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. How much money during the month of Junewhere did you keep your bank account?

Mr. MCNAMARA. At the Graham National Bank, Graham, Tex.
Mr. ZUMBRUNN. That was $300 a month?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. McLEAN. When was your pay day?

Mr. MCNAMARA. It varied. Sometimes we would get it along toward the 5th of the month and sometimes we would not get it until the 10th, and sometimes later than that.

Mr. McLEAN. When did Mr. Morrison-what day of the month did Mr. Morrison give you this $200?

Mr. MCNAMARA. June 3, 1922.

Mr. MCLEAN. Was that before banking hours or after; before the bank had closed?

Mr. MCNAMARA. The bank closed between 3.30 and 3.45.

Mr. McLEAN. How much money did you deposit in that bank on that day?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Not any.

Mr. McLEAN. On the 5th of the month?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I really do not know. I can look at the deposit slips there and tell you.

Mr. MCLEAN. Did you bring your bank book along with you? Mr. MCNAMARA. No; I have a telegram from the bank.

Mr. MCLEAN. I am not asking you about that. Did you bring your bank book along with you?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I did not.

Mr. MCLEAN. You were questioned about it at the trial in Corsicana, were you not?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes, sir.

Senator NEELY. Is there a record of that testimony?

Mr. McLEAN. Yes; the record shows the testimony about the bank matter.

Senator NEELY. I did not mean to cut you off from cross-examining, if it is really that.

Mr. MCLEAN. I understand, Senator. I know the Senator does not mean to cut me off, but the record states about his deposits there at the time.

Senator NEELY. For the same reason that we have desired testimony delivered by word of mouth, although it is in the record, I think this matter had better be pursued, too. Let us understand what the situation is in regard to the deposits, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. It is material.

Mr. MCLEAN. Did you make any deposit outside of your expense account and your salary-you receive an expense account from the State of Texas in addition to your salary?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. And you did at that time?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes. •

Mr. McLEAN. And in addition to your expense account and your salary from the State of Texas did you make any additional deposits of money in the bank at the time inquired about, or about the time inquired about.

Mr. MCNAMARA. Not unless it was a salary deposit or expense, or the money that I had borrowed.

Mr. MCLEAN. Borrowed? Did you borrow any money to deposit in this bank at the time inquired about? The time I mean is about the time that you claim to have sent this $200 to Senator Mayfield. Mr. MCNAMARA. I may have done so.

Mr. McLEAN. You went back to Graham from Dallas, Tex., and you gave that deposition, did you?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I went back from Austin, Tex.

Mr. McLEAN. From Austin to Graham?

Mr. MCNAMARA. From Austin to Dallas.

Mr. MCLEAN. All right; and then from Dallas back to Graham? Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. McLEAN. And you gave that deposition?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. When you got to Graham, before you gave your deposition, you learned that these gentlemen who had turned this money over to you had given their depositions, did you not?

Mr. MCNAMARA. That Mr. M. K. Graham had and Mr. Ed Graham had.

Mr. MCLEAN. Well, all right; that is two of the gentlemen. Now, when you went to Dallas do you recall whom you met there? Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. Whom?

Mr. MCNAMARA. I met J. W. Hassell, chief supervisor, T. L. Coplin, deputy supervisor, Mr. Clarence Gilmore, railroad commissioner, Mr. Walter Priddie, an operator there from Wichita, Mr.

Howard Bennett, secretary of the Midcontinent Gas & Oil Association, and several more.

Mr. McLEAN. Anyone connected with this case?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir; no more than Hassell and Coplin.

Mr. MCLEAN. They are only witnesses, are they not?

Mr. MCNAMARA. What is the question?

Mr. McLEAN. Anyone connected with the case? Anyone that is either defending or prosecuting Senator Mayfield?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir; I did not meet anyone.

Mr. MCLEAN. Now, you claim that Senator Mayfield wrote your answers down to these questions. You kept that, did you not? Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir; Mr. Mayfield wrote it and kept it him

self.

Mr. MCLEAN. Did he not write your answers down right opposite the questions?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Mr. Mayfield did; yes, sir-his answers.

Mr. MCLEAN. And you have got the questions, have you not? Mr. MCNAMARA. No; he never gave me that deposition that he wrote the answers down to. He kept that.

Mr. MCLEAN. How were you going to use it if Senator Mayfield kept it? You left.

Mr. MCNAMARA. He was coming and calling on me to swear to a lie if I wanted to.

Mr. MCLEAN. Coming to you?

Mr. MCNAMARA. Yes.

Mr. MCLEAN. And you did not keep it?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir; I never had it.

Mr. McLEAN. You saw Senator Mayfield in July in Austin— July, 1921 and I will ask you is not this a fact, that Senator Mayfield stated to you that he did not know whether he would be a candidate for the United States Senate or not?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir.

Mr. MCLEAN. Later on, when Senator Mayfield announced for the Senate, in February, 1922, is it not a fact that you attempted, in case of his election, to get him to recommend you for railroad commissioner of Texas?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir.

Mr. MCLEAN. You never made that request?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir: but Mr. Mayfield said to me, going down the steps of the Capitol, "Mac, with reference to your application to succeed me, I have not any pull with the governor, but I have friends that have, and I will give you information before I resign so that you can put as much pressure to bear on the governor as you can." I said, "Mr. Mayfield, I have never asked you or solicited that from you."

Mr. MCLEAN. You had your application pending?

Mr. MCNAMARA. With the governor; yes, sir.

Mr. MCLEAN. Is it not a fact that Senator Mayfield told you that he thought that job was too big for you, and was not your reply to him that you would get even with him?

Mr. MCNAMARA. No, sir.

Mr. McLEAN. You claim-you testified, I believe, if I am correctly informed, that your relationship with Senator Mayfield was friendly up until the time of the trial at Corsicana?